The Highest of Horses

On April 27th, Placentica of the alliance Alpha shared his official Recognition of War announcement to the Politics & War gaming community via the PW Forums. In Placentica’s ‘return’ to the game, Oblivion and Arrgh – both alliance notorious for raiding and warring – decided to have some fun with Alpha. Within his recognition announcement, Placentica states “hitting nations who are just coming back to play a game is in poor taste and reeks of cowardice. When I was lobbying to have the [Spanish Armada] folks rejoin the game, one of the selling points was a new political environment and not the same boring ones.” – yet as we dug further into the background of this little war, we found that Placentica may have bit his own tongue on that statement.

This war, in total, consisted of Alpha and Church of Atom vs Oblivion and Arrgh – with the latter side being the primary antagonists. Alpha and Church of Atom, collectively sent 69 offensive wars to Arrgh and Oblivion while Alpha received 36 defensive wars – 5 from Arrgh and 31 from Oblivion. Checking out the stat summary of this war, it is obviously clear that Alpha would claim victory by the numbers, dealing $7.6 Billion in damage versus Oblivion’s $2 Billion damage. Arrgh did drop out two weeks before the final end of this war when Alpha received their status victory over Oblivion – but not before lengthy peace talks.

From our investigation peace talks began around May 1st where Placentica spoke to DTC from Oblivion and outlined terms for peace. These terms consisted of the following:

  • 3 Month Non-Aggression Pact (NAP)
  • Oblivion repays (reparations/reps) part of the damage which was calculated at the time by Placentica as $1.5 Billion.
  • Official surrender to Alpha.
  • Admission of defeat, which would be posted by Placentica to the PW Forums.

Upon submission of terms from the Alpha side, DTC countered with simple White Peace – which generally means both entities end the dispute, no further wars, active wars are continued, peaced, and/or beiged – Placentica stated that White Peace wouldn’t work for Alpha.

On May 10th, Placentica and Ockey continue peace talks. During this time Ockey explains to Placentica that Oblivion would not be paying reps, but accepted all of the other previously laid out terms – however – Placentica believed that because Oblivion was the antagonist in this war, they must pay for the damages and the cost of the war. “When you raid someone, usually it is customary to pay reps for the damages done. In this case, we aren’t even asking for the full amount and we know you have it.”  Ockey stands by his position to accept all the terms excluding paying reparations, but Placentica continues his course by saying, “we can keep zeroing your guys out and selling down to hit them and that’s fine with us.” This same day, Placentica requests Ockey to hand over his Foreign Affairs duties to someone else because he thinks Ockey isn’t active enough to navigate peace talks and in the following days, Placentica reaches out to Oblivion’s friends and allies in attempts to push motivation on the Oblivion front.

On May 15th and 16th, Placentica was in touch with Sweet Ronny D of Grumpy Old Bastards – an alliance tied to the same sphere as Oblivion with The Golden Horde, Empyrea, and Knights Templar. Placentica claims that peace talks are silent and they are having trouble finding anyone in Oblivion who is active to perform peace talks. “I just want to make sure you and their allies are aware that we are not stalling or looking for perma-war,” Placentica told Ronny – who replied that the hold up might be due to the stall on Alpha wanting reparations while Oblivion refuses those terms. Placentica states to Ronny that, “the problem is more that they aren’t even responding. So, we can’t wrap up the war until they come back to negotiate peace.” – All this, even though Ockey and Oblivion representatives did acknowledge terms sent by Alpha and countered with an acceptance of those terms, excluding the reparations.

On May 17th, Placentica and Ockey discuss peace terms again – Ockey clarifies that they offered a counter, but Placentica didn’t accept it. Placentica dismisses the counter again and implies someone else needs to take over peace talks and states that Oblivion’s counter is not a counter. “Not sure if you understand how this goes. Just saying something you are not doing isn’t really much of anything other than wishful thinking,” Placentica told Ockey – in which Ockey clarifies their position once more, “clearly states we are not paying reps, and the rest [of the terms] is fine.”

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Placentica continues to push Ockey into a corner demanding reparations to be included in the terms or they will continue to attack till their loot equals or passes the amount Alpha demanded in the original peace terms. “It’s sad to see your alliance disintegrate due to your pride. I know it sucks to lose, but suck up your pride for the good of your membership, whatever is left of it that is,” Placentica said to Ockey during the continued negotiations. Placentica is now pivoting to demanding reps to demanding Ockey provide some type of peace term that would compensate for no reps to be paid.

At this point in the peace negotiations, Placentica changes from the sincere party contacting Oblivion’s friends and allies, negotiating peace and claiming victim who wants to ‘wrap up the war’ to someone who seems to enjoy argument, does not wish to see the war wrapped up in a timely manner, and continues to push the losing party around. To be clear, within peace negotiations it was observed that Ockey noted he didn’t win and it was also noted that all terms originally pushed were accepted by Ockey, excluding the rep terms. Placentica wanted a quick solution – but now changes pace by asking Ockey to take a few days and asking Ockey to pick his own peace terms to counter. “It’s not just going to be surrender and NAP though. That’s letting you off too easy for your unprovoked attack on an alliance just leaving VM coming back to the game. That was a shitty thing to do, wasn’t it?” Placentica said to Ockey in negotiations – Ockey replied; “nope, the game has changed since you left and no one considered it a shitty thing to do. As I said, we accepted everything, but reps.”

They go back and forth during these talks with Placentica saying Ockey needs to offer something substantial for a counter while Ockey explains he is fine with the terms, just doesn’t want to pay reps and then tells Placentica “[I’ve] got nothing you want, so make something up to please yourself,” to which Placentica replied “The problem is you fucked up and now you are still acting like you won this war. I’ll give you some time to figure out a counter offer.”

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Peace was finally negotiated with reps not being included and Alpha was able to claim their victory over Oblivion. Even though the aggressive stance of Placentica within these negotiations, Oblivion stood their ground on their counter offer for peace terms. One could say that Placentica is entitled to reparations, but another could say that reparations really are a thing of the past when it comes to warring. Our world is currently in the position to have ‘fun wars’  – no reps and most times, alliances will brush off reps.

Moral of the story here is, Placentica had a million options to exit this war, accept the win, while both parties part ways. Oblivion is known for warring and not giving a fuck, why Placentica thought this case would be different – we aren’t sure. Coming back into this world from a vacation, lobbying previous active nations to come back to a fun game and then complaining about being attacked is not the way to go about being dynamic, as that is what Placentica claimed to be doing. We would even push further and say that Placentica enjoyed the argument he was getting with Ockey and somehow felt that while on his high horse, he was in the position to dictate and sway the negotiations.

We know that Oblivion is a no fucks alliance and we know that Oblivion did knowingly join this war – so they were the antagonist with Arrgh, there is no doubt about that – however – Placentica spent a whole lot of time running around to other people complaining that peace terms are taking too long, someone else needs to take over, and he wants to just end the war and not be perma-war with Oblivion only to turn it right back around, bullying Ockey into a corner, and prolonging peace negotiations. From our view, it was Placentica’s ego, pride, and self-given high horse status that prolonged this war – not Ockey’s.

We reached out to Placentica who has not commented/replied to our questions.

For your convenience, here is a log compilation of peace negotiations between Ockey and Placentica. Let us know who you think is at fault for a prolonged and unnecessary draw out of peace talks – was Ockey right or was Placentica?

For those of you interested, here is the video Ockey sent to Placentica during the closing of negotiations. Please be aware that this is NSFW, there is the use of ‘era terminology.’

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WMT: Peace Terms Are Shit (PW)

What’s up everyone, I’m back for some PW action today – labeling anyone in IQ or associated as straight up garbage people. Sure, I have a lot of friends and people that I like on that side of the political spectrum of Politics & War, but lets take step into the realistic direction and agree that this opinion post is strictly based on the political movements and ideas of this group and not the OOC personal lives and relationships – so don’t get it twisted.

From my perspective, this war – beginning and reason of the war – started because many people were tired of TKR & Friends being on top of the political spectrum, they were tired that TKR could actively ‘police’ the world. So, to make change – they create a plan to destroy TKR and all those that oppose their ruling and then aggressively knock down anyone who gets in their way to oppose that ruling against TKR…and then make plans to continue their aggressive maneuvers through other alliances not directly associated and extend those plans out past when the war actually ends, yes it is still going on, yes it is killing the game, no nobody cares about IQ and their lack there of.

Peace terms used to be fun, exciting, and honestly something you could look forward to. Peace calls for the end of the war, the battle is done, and you can start to fix your wounds while healing old wounds (reason the war happened) and prosper together as a community. Today, those peace terms honestly are ass – straight up stank ass terms that really don’t have a place within this game and the community…unless of course, the idea of these terms and the aggressive rule from IQ is to just put this game right into a forever dirt nap – because ultimately that is what is going to happen.

There may have been solid effort for politics behind closed doors, but when it comes to the real growth and continuance of this game, it is going nowhere – and nowhere fast. With a game admin that does shit to actually make the game better and adapt to the times and needs of the community (unless it’s cracking down on people who say ‘fat’ on the forums because its 2019 and that word is offensive) and a giant coalition of super bad guys who just want to change the world and stop TKR from policing it (while setting up a wide base of policing now and extended through the end of the war) – the game is already over.

To be honest, there really isn’t a reason to keep playing this game unless you’re just sticking around for your friends and the communities that we have created outside the general confines of PW mechanics and forums. Personally, that is why I stick around – I enjoy the family I’m a part of and all the PW friends I’ve made throughout the years – if I didn’t have those friends or family, I would have been long gone as would probably 95% of y’all.

Now, don’t get me wrong, Quichwe is a nice guy, but TFP is trash – regardless of those #facts – The Fighting Pacifists accepted ‘peace terms’ that smell absolutely like swamp ass – I’m assuming from the BK army sitting at their desks fighting their keyboard wars – take a fucking shower BK, you’re stinking up all PW. Not only does TFP have to change their brand from TFP to ‘Grumpy’ but they have to use the term ‘grumpy’ in any spot where TFP would have been used – and to top that all off, they have to do this for as long as the war lasts – starting on the last day of Knightfall. They have to fly the old, defunct Mensa flag – k – and of course they have to fuck on all of their cities that went into VM, because we all know how hard IQ gets over VM members. To be honest, if someone goes VM just kick them, because why would you have anyone in your alliance that isn’t willing to help out? That’s what we did – RIP.

Trash terms. IQ has no IQ or creativity when it comes to terms and y’all just accept them. Even our terms with GoG were trash, but at least there was a bit (ashland tried as hard as she could) of humor there – tie that bit of humor into the BC peace terms. Those weren’t bad, we even had to change our name – but it still stays close to what we represent, so it really wasn’t that horrible.

As we progress into this war that never ends, we see that peace terms don’t just rest on the edge of super technical and trash, but they cross right over into it and just label IQ and friends as try hard pieces of shit – and ultimately become exactly what they wanted to fight against. Nothing here is dynamic, cool, fun – and if you’re getting a boner because you super stacked alliances for a total defeat and its AWESOME that you’re not accepting any negotiated peace terms and like you totally don’t ever have to stop because you’re so damn cool – you’re just a fucking retard.

The only thing you’re doing is making people delete their nation in-game, deterring progress within the game politically, and putting yourself up on a very shaking pedestal, that honestly has no foundation to stand on.

You’re just trash, politically and you’ll stay that way.

OH..and if you actually read this and get butt hurt or go all like NUH UHHH, I honestly don’t fucking care, because you’ll just stick a pin right in your own ego and post yourself up on the wall of fucktards that can’t see a full picture – just a small detail, which just happens to also be your penis.

 

Thank you for tuning in! Thinking about doing this in audio rather than text, what y’all think?