Surfs Up [6/10 Update]

We are back at it again folks with another update for the war that keeps raging on, Surfs Up. It has been about 15 days since our last update and boy have some things changed! Before we get into the thick of it, remember that below we will track previously recorded data compared to data recorded today – you can check out some pretty big changes since war kicked off.

One of the biggest events that have happened during this war has been the Nova Riata exploit – which has damaged not only reputations, but costs a lot of players their nations and – Nova Riata no longer exists. Through a series of investigations, it was found that Nova Riata found some exploit to basically duplicate resources at mass which obviously would allow them to not only distribute those resources for growth but make a ton of cash of it in the process through the global market. We won’t cover that story in its entirety here, most of the details were laid out pretty clear from the process, through the crime, to the justice handed out by players and Admin right on the PW Forums, we’ll add some links to the bottom of this post if you missed it.

As these two spheres battle it out in this ‘fun war’  – let’s take a look at the current total damages for both sides (graphs below) – Ketog is looking at a Total Net damage of $83.14 Billion while Chaos is sitting roughly with a Total Net damage of about $-84 Billion.


The famous NPO-Owned War Statistics tracker is tracking the current stats of the war which is being called ‘that’s bait’ – you can always check out those stats for this conflict and other conflicts on NPO’s stat tracker.

Here is a graph for STARTING (close to the beginning) stats for dealt and received.

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Here is a graph for current stats for dealt and received – 15 days later                    Recorded on 6/10.

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During the peak of the massive political changes that hit Orbis, many alliances promised more wars, frequent skirmishes, and a bit more fun – the only other example of a fun war that Orbis received from these promises was SOUP declaring war on WTF and Fark.

Again, we spoke to leading members of each group and alliance to see where their minds are today vs on day one.

CHAOS

Charlie Traveler – Soup Kitchen

Charlie told us that “the war is tough! KETOG are skilled adversaries, we’ve been able to find some places to improve internally during this war and it’s been [a] great experience for our side.” When we asked if they are still having fun, Charlie added: “losing is always tough, but war is very fun!” We’ll see how he’s fairing on the next check-in.

Ripper – Church of Spaceology

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Ripper shared this gif with us, stated “A member posted this today (Betusomething)” and he noted that it was “Chaos upper tier coming out of beige.” We also asked Ripper if he was still having fun and he told ORB, “It’s rare to not have fun during a war. Although there is always stress, etc.” Ripper did mention to us that he “thinks it’s obvious that GOB and Guardian didn’t attack CoS just ‘for fun and because they were bored,”’ but he did mention that the war is still light and non-toxic.

Squeege – Seven Kingdoms

Unfortunately, Squeege doesn’t care about the war  nor commenting for his alliance. ORB called him a piece of shit.

We reached out to Seven Kingdoms & The Knights Radiant who have not shared a comment. We hope all is well.

KETOG

Keegoz – Knights Templar

When we asked Keegoz how the war was going he said: “it’s going well, we seem to just be sitting on them now.” He also added that “a lot of our guys who got hit heavy in counters are trying to now push their stats into the positives.” When we touched on the funness of the war Keegoz told ORB that although he hasn’t been able to fight much, he’s been told: “it’s getting less enjoyable as more chaos members are generally suiciding and/or rolling over.”

Buorhann – The Golden Horde

Buorhann told us that the war is going pretty well; “granted a lot of our top tier are sitting there watching. Damage is still accumulating on both sides, our low tier players are getting in much-needed experience.” Buorhann tells us that the war is still fun for his alliance and adds “I’ve shared some friendly barbs here and there. As for the sphere? Some of them are having a lot of fun and some of them are just waiting to see what happens next.”


Peace Talks

When we interviewed the parties above, we also asked about peace and the negotiations they may be taking part in. It seems that peace has been kicked around, but there are no definitive plans for peace at this time. Charlie tells us, “we have a tentative idea of how things will end, but no one has been willing to commit pen to paper, so it’s still up in the air.”  – all parties have echoed this same sentiment.


Front Line Expands

There hasn’t been much expansion with alliances joining in, as we heard above – the general house rules for this fight is to keep it as closed off as possible. We have had a few slight changes with the current war roster with Arrgh originally being reported, but now Oblivion holds that spot – and as we all know and as reported above, Nova Riata – although not knocked out in war, knocked out by it’s own doing is also crossed off the roster for Chaos.

Current War Roster:

KETOG

  1. Knights Templar
  2. Grumpy Old Bastards
  3. Guardian
  4. The Golden Horde
  5. Empyrea
  6. Arrgh
  7. Oblivion

CHAOS

  1. Valinor
  2. Nova Riata
  3. Soup Kitchen
  4. Seven Kingdoms
  5. The Knights Radiant
  6. Church of Spaceology
  7. Silenzio

Here’s a quick look at an early Round 1 Leaderboard

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Here’s a look at the same leaderboards, 15 days later – 6/10/19

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We will keep you in the loop with any updates on this war, in the meantime, check out some sweet memey propaganda.

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‘Surfs Up’ [5/26 Update]

Knights Templar member, RAM of Dark Castle was the first to kick off the war on May 25th in-game time, between the KETOG and Chaos blocs striking The Knights Radiant. Keegoz, Knights Templar leader posted KETOG’s Declaration of War at approximately 7 pm CST on the Politics & War Alliance Affairs forums.

Boredom has once agains struck our shores. The months of inactivity, consolidation and posturing have left this game quiet and boring. We have therefore decided to ride the boredom wave straight into Chaos. People who we believe know how to have some fun, fight and put on a good show. – Keegoz

KETOG houses Knights Templar, The Golden Horde, Grumpy Old Bastards, Guardian, Empyrea – with connections to Oblivion. Chaos houses Seven Kingdoms, Church of Spaceology, The Knights Radiant, Soup Kitch – with connections to Nova Riata and Valinor. Theodosius provided an early look at tiering for both sides on the PW Forums:

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The famous NPO-Owned War Statistics tracker is not currently housing stats for this war, we assume they will add this war to their roster soon. tracking the current stats of the war which is being called ‘that’s bait’ – you can check out those stats on NPO’s stat tracker.

Here is a graph for current (close to the beginning) stats for dealt and received.

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During the peak of the massive political changes that hit Orbis, many alliances promised more wars, frequent skirmishes, and a bit more fun – the only other example of a fun war that Orbis received from these promises was SOUP declaring war on WTF and Fark.

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We reached out to all the parties involved in the current conflict to get initial reactions andogd just a few words from the frontlines. Charlie of SOUP and Squeegee of Seven Kingdoms shared the same image – quickly solidifying the fact that this is a fun war, and there are more memes to come. Squeegee added that they are having fun and “fires burn in all the right places 😉 ”

When we spoke with Schirminator from The Knights Radiant he told us “Overall, it’s fairing alright. We have a lot of newer members getting their first taste of war and so far, KETOG has been pretty respectful towards us. It’s a good and fair fight and I look forward to being a part of it.” Schirminator also added “even though I got triple dec’d and I’m personally losing my fight XD” Adrienne told us that it’s “been hectic of course, but pretty fun so far and I’m enjoying the chance to go up against some old friends hahaha.”

Church of Spaceology leadership, Ripper, told ORB (jokingly) “This time, GOB will really have to change their acronym.”

KETOG

Keegoz from the other side of the war, Knights Templar said: “I hope it is a fun war and so far it is going as predicted, we’re securing the top/whale tier and they are trying to secure the mid to lower tiers.”

Buorhann from The Golden Horde had a little bit more to say; “The plan of the war was to find someone that we thought we’d have fun fighting. After seeing the effort done between SOUP and Fark, we figured we’d give it a shot on fighting Chaos as a whole.”

If you remember from before SOUP hit WTF and Fark and the exchange was handled as peaceful and fun as possible.

“Already, they’re using their upper tier nations to down declare and make the use of their military as much as possible before they’re zeroed out, which is a smart idea on their part.” Buorhann also added that “they can do memes, we’re going to do memes, and we hope to entertain everyone.”

Empyrea had a little bit of a rough start themselves when a member was given permission to mess with perms on their discord server – all war channels were suddenly public. We spoke with CitrusK who said “I think the war against CHAOS is going great so far. I’ve yet to turn beige which is a really good sign, and it’s just fun.”

Thanks to all the leadership for being good sports with us on this, we look forward to keeping up with y’all as the war progresses.


Front Line Expands

It has been a bit over 24 hours since the war has started and we have already started adding more players to the ‘fun war’ that KETOG kicked off.  Ketog has added Arrgh to its roster who quickly deployed 30 offensive wars while CHAOS has added Nova Riata, 108 offensive wars, and Valinor with 47 offensive wars deployed.

Current War Roster:

KETOG

  1. Knights Templar
  2. Grumpy Old Bastards
  3. Guardian
  4. The Golden Horde
  5. Empyrea
  6. Arrgh

CHAOS

  1. Valinor
  2. Nova Riata
  3. Soup Kitchen
  4. Seven Kingdoms
  5. The Knights Radiant
  6. Church of Spaceology

Here’s a quick look at an early Round 1 Leaderboard

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We will keep you in the loop with any updates on this war, in the meantime, check out some sweet memey propaganda.

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The Highest of Horses

On April 27th, Placentica of the alliance Alpha shared his official Recognition of War announcement to the Politics & War gaming community via the PW Forums. In Placentica’s ‘return’ to the game, Oblivion and Arrgh – both alliance notorious for raiding and warring – decided to have some fun with Alpha. Within his recognition announcement, Placentica states “hitting nations who are just coming back to play a game is in poor taste and reeks of cowardice. When I was lobbying to have the [Spanish Armada] folks rejoin the game, one of the selling points was a new political environment and not the same boring ones.” – yet as we dug further into the background of this little war, we found that Placentica may have bit his own tongue on that statement.

This war, in total, consisted of Alpha and Church of Atom vs Oblivion and Arrgh – with the latter side being the primary antagonists. Alpha and Church of Atom, collectively sent 69 offensive wars to Arrgh and Oblivion while Alpha received 36 defensive wars – 5 from Arrgh and 31 from Oblivion. Checking out the stat summary of this war, it is obviously clear that Alpha would claim victory by the numbers, dealing $7.6 Billion in damage versus Oblivion’s $2 Billion damage. Arrgh did drop out two weeks before the final end of this war when Alpha received their status victory over Oblivion – but not before lengthy peace talks.

From our investigation peace talks began around May 1st where Placentica spoke to DTC from Oblivion and outlined terms for peace. These terms consisted of the following:

  • 3 Month Non-Aggression Pact (NAP)
  • Oblivion repays (reparations/reps) part of the damage which was calculated at the time by Placentica as $1.5 Billion.
  • Official surrender to Alpha.
  • Admission of defeat, which would be posted by Placentica to the PW Forums.

Upon submission of terms from the Alpha side, DTC countered with simple White Peace – which generally means both entities end the dispute, no further wars, active wars are continued, peaced, and/or beiged – Placentica stated that White Peace wouldn’t work for Alpha.

On May 10th, Placentica and Ockey continue peace talks. During this time Ockey explains to Placentica that Oblivion would not be paying reps, but accepted all of the other previously laid out terms – however – Placentica believed that because Oblivion was the antagonist in this war, they must pay for the damages and the cost of the war. “When you raid someone, usually it is customary to pay reps for the damages done. In this case, we aren’t even asking for the full amount and we know you have it.”  Ockey stands by his position to accept all the terms excluding paying reparations, but Placentica continues his course by saying, “we can keep zeroing your guys out and selling down to hit them and that’s fine with us.” This same day, Placentica requests Ockey to hand over his Foreign Affairs duties to someone else because he thinks Ockey isn’t active enough to navigate peace talks and in the following days, Placentica reaches out to Oblivion’s friends and allies in attempts to push motivation on the Oblivion front.

On May 15th and 16th, Placentica was in touch with Sweet Ronny D of Grumpy Old Bastards – an alliance tied to the same sphere as Oblivion with The Golden Horde, Empyrea, and Knights Templar. Placentica claims that peace talks are silent and they are having trouble finding anyone in Oblivion who is active to perform peace talks. “I just want to make sure you and their allies are aware that we are not stalling or looking for perma-war,” Placentica told Ronny – who replied that the hold up might be due to the stall on Alpha wanting reparations while Oblivion refuses those terms. Placentica states to Ronny that, “the problem is more that they aren’t even responding. So, we can’t wrap up the war until they come back to negotiate peace.” – All this, even though Ockey and Oblivion representatives did acknowledge terms sent by Alpha and countered with an acceptance of those terms, excluding the reparations.

On May 17th, Placentica and Ockey discuss peace terms again – Ockey clarifies that they offered a counter, but Placentica didn’t accept it. Placentica dismisses the counter again and implies someone else needs to take over peace talks and states that Oblivion’s counter is not a counter. “Not sure if you understand how this goes. Just saying something you are not doing isn’t really much of anything other than wishful thinking,” Placentica told Ockey – in which Ockey clarifies their position once more, “clearly states we are not paying reps, and the rest [of the terms] is fine.”

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Placentica continues to push Ockey into a corner demanding reparations to be included in the terms or they will continue to attack till their loot equals or passes the amount Alpha demanded in the original peace terms. “It’s sad to see your alliance disintegrate due to your pride. I know it sucks to lose, but suck up your pride for the good of your membership, whatever is left of it that is,” Placentica said to Ockey during the continued negotiations. Placentica is now pivoting to demanding reps to demanding Ockey provide some type of peace term that would compensate for no reps to be paid.

At this point in the peace negotiations, Placentica changes from the sincere party contacting Oblivion’s friends and allies, negotiating peace and claiming victim who wants to ‘wrap up the war’ to someone who seems to enjoy argument, does not wish to see the war wrapped up in a timely manner, and continues to push the losing party around. To be clear, within peace negotiations it was observed that Ockey noted he didn’t win and it was also noted that all terms originally pushed were accepted by Ockey, excluding the rep terms. Placentica wanted a quick solution – but now changes pace by asking Ockey to take a few days and asking Ockey to pick his own peace terms to counter. “It’s not just going to be surrender and NAP though. That’s letting you off too easy for your unprovoked attack on an alliance just leaving VM coming back to the game. That was a shitty thing to do, wasn’t it?” Placentica said to Ockey in negotiations – Ockey replied; “nope, the game has changed since you left and no one considered it a shitty thing to do. As I said, we accepted everything, but reps.”

They go back and forth during these talks with Placentica saying Ockey needs to offer something substantial for a counter while Ockey explains he is fine with the terms, just doesn’t want to pay reps and then tells Placentica “[I’ve] got nothing you want, so make something up to please yourself,” to which Placentica replied “The problem is you fucked up and now you are still acting like you won this war. I’ll give you some time to figure out a counter offer.”

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Peace was finally negotiated with reps not being included and Alpha was able to claim their victory over Oblivion. Even though the aggressive stance of Placentica within these negotiations, Oblivion stood their ground on their counter offer for peace terms. One could say that Placentica is entitled to reparations, but another could say that reparations really are a thing of the past when it comes to warring. Our world is currently in the position to have ‘fun wars’  – no reps and most times, alliances will brush off reps.

Moral of the story here is, Placentica had a million options to exit this war, accept the win, while both parties part ways. Oblivion is known for warring and not giving a fuck, why Placentica thought this case would be different – we aren’t sure. Coming back into this world from a vacation, lobbying previous active nations to come back to a fun game and then complaining about being attacked is not the way to go about being dynamic, as that is what Placentica claimed to be doing. We would even push further and say that Placentica enjoyed the argument he was getting with Ockey and somehow felt that while on his high horse, he was in the position to dictate and sway the negotiations.

We know that Oblivion is a no fucks alliance and we know that Oblivion did knowingly join this war – so they were the antagonist with Arrgh, there is no doubt about that – however – Placentica spent a whole lot of time running around to other people complaining that peace terms are taking too long, someone else needs to take over, and he wants to just end the war and not be perma-war with Oblivion only to turn it right back around, bullying Ockey into a corner, and prolonging peace negotiations. From our view, it was Placentica’s ego, pride, and self-given high horse status that prolonged this war – not Ockey’s.

We reached out to Placentica who has not commented/replied to our questions.

For your convenience, here is a log compilation of peace negotiations between Ockey and Placentica. Let us know who you think is at fault for a prolonged and unnecessary draw out of peace talks – was Ockey right or was Placentica?

For those of you interested, here is the video Ockey sent to Placentica during the closing of negotiations. Please be aware that this is NSFW, there is the use of ‘era terminology.’

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